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guero316 2/20/05 |
M.E.Ch.A.canos al grito de Guerra/
M.E.Ch.Acans at the cry of Battle By: Arturo Monje Jr. M.E.Ch.A. was founded on the principles of self-determination for the liberation of only its people. They believe that political involvement and education is the avenue for change in their society. In March of 1969, at Denver, Colorado the Crusade for Justice organized the National Chicano Youth Conference that drafted the basic premises for the Chicano/a Movement in El Plan de Aztlán or EPA (The plan of Aztlan). A synopsis of El Plan stipulates: 1) We are Chicanos/as of Aztlán reclaiming the land of our birth (Chicano/a Nation). 2) Aztlán belongs to indigenous people, who are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture. 3) We are a union of free pueblos forming a bronze (Chicano/a) Nation. 4) Chicano nationalism, as the key to mobilization and organization, is the common denominator to bring consensus to the Chicano/a Movement. 5) Cultural values strengthen our identity as La Familia (The Family) de La Raza (of The Race); and 6) El Plan de Aztlán or EPA (The plan of Aztlan), as a basic plan of Chicano/a liberation, sought the formation of an independent national political party that would represent only the sentiments of the Chicano/a community. The fundamental principles that led to the founding of M.E.Ch.A are found in El Plan de Santa Barbara (EPSB). The Manifesto of EPSB sees self-determination for the Chicano/a community as the only acceptable way for our people to gain socioeconomic justice. El Plan argues that a strong nationalist identity is a necessary step in building a program of self-determination. Self-determination, in this regard, challenges those involved in principle struggle to respect the rights of all Chicanos. EPSB stresses that in organizing M.E.Ch.A. every opportunity must be taken to educate only Raza (Race). At the same time, El Plan exhorts Mechistas to preserve only Chicano/a culture in this culturally diverse society, both in community and on campus. Thus, only a Chicano/a Nation is a necessity defined as an educational, socioeconomic, and empowered Chicano/a community. The Manifesto of EPSB warns us in part: We recognize that without a strategic use of education, an education that places value on what we value, we will not realize our destiny. Chicanos/as recognize the central importance of institutions of higher learning to model progress, in this case, to the development of our community. But, we go further: we believe that higher education must contribute to the formation of a complete man and or woman who truly values life and freedom. (p.10) EPSB Both El Plan de Aztlán (EPA) and El Plan de Santa Barbara (EPSB) served as the historical foundation for the establishment of a viable Chicano/a Movement and are therefore fundamental to the M.E.Ch.A. Philosophy. M.E.Ch.A. condemns outside organizations. Under M.E.Ch.A.'s very own Historical Examples of Infiltration into M.E.Ch.A. states: Much of the problem, with regard to confusing organizational goals has occurred due to the existence of dual loyalties, membership, and accountabilities (by individuals who often lie about their membership and accountability to an outside organization). Claiming dual membership in M.E.Ch.A. and other outside organizations, let it be understood that, We, Mechistas, condemn any outside organizations, groups and/or individuals which seek to subordinate the goals of M.E.Ch.A. to those of its own. More specifically, we condemn the practice of outside organizations, groups and/or individuals seeking to use M.E.Ch.A. and its membership to party-build. Party building is defined as using our Movimiento to pull away membership from our organization to work for another organization. (One example is WNMU's M.E.Ch.A who openly is organized with the local Democratic Party. In other words WNMU's M.E.Ch.A is in direct violation of its own law because The Democratic Party is an organization, group and/or individual who seek to come into M.E.Ch.A. for the purpose of inviting its members to work on certain issues and then attempting to convert them into members of the outside organization.) Party building is negative because it disrupts the normal functions and processes of any organization by creating division. For this reason, let all outside organizations, groups, and/or individuals understand that M.E.Ch.A. demands: 1) The right to self-determination; 2) That no person or outside organization shall determent our goals, structure, and philosophy; 3) That all organizations, groups, and/or individuals must respect the internal organizational dynamics of M.E.Ch.A.; and 4) That no other organizations, groups, and/or individuals may use the power of our organization to develop future student and community leaders to promote the ideals and principles of their organization. Such leadership should be principled and not liberal. For this reason, we cannot believe in unity for unity's sake since there are many opportunistic organizations, groups, and/or individuals who care only for themselves and not for our people. Just as we would expel FBI or CIA agent provocateurs from our organizations, such opportunistic organizations, groups, and/or individuals must be exposed and expelled to strengthen our Movement. Again under M.E.Ch.A.'s very own Forming Coalitions on Principle states: M.E.Ch.A. has also learned from is history that we must be cautious and not liberal in dealing with organizational opportunism when it threatens M.E.Ch.A. As Mechistas we have a responsibility to protect our organization's autonomy. M.E.Ch.A. - as a symbol of unified philosophy with a common objective: LA UNION HACE LA FUERZA! (The union makes the force/ or takes it by force.) Regardless, WNMU's M.E.Ch.A openly coalition's with the local Democratic Party, who just so happens to be liberal. Again WNMU's M.E.Ch.A is in direct violation of its own law. Yet even again under M.E.Ch.A.'s very own Organizational Goals, goal No. 7 on Political Liberation states: "The two-party system is the same animal with two heads that feed from the same trough. Nationally, we will represent one party: La Familia de La Raza! ( The Family of The Race)" That's not the Democratic party; regardless WNMU's M.E.Ch.A openly associates itself with the local Democratic Party, who just so happens not to be La Familia de La Raza!( The Family of The Race). Yet even again WNMU's M.E.Ch.A is in direct violation of its own law. WNMU's M.E.Ch.A claims to be a non-racial/non-discriminate/anti-war entity; nevertheless, M.E.Ch.A's El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán (The Spiritual plan of Aztlan) states: In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks, which are justly called for, by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner "gabacho" who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, and we are Aztlán. Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada. (Everything for the Race. Out or outside of the Race nothing) Words like gringo and gabacho are racial remarks toward white/Anglo peoples. Not only that, but El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán (The Spiritual plan of Aztlan) clearly and openly states a discrimination towards races who are not "La Raza or Bronze" i.e. "Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada. (Everything for the Race. Out or outside of the Race nothing)." They also show their war side with a desire for reclaiming the land of Aztlan for the Raza's kingdom. The final paragraph in El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán (The Spiritual plan of Aztlan) mentions, "the utilization of our bodies for war" Again, "M.E.Ch.A. - As a symbol of unified philosophy with a common objective: LA UNION HACE LA FUERZA! (The union makes the force/ or takes it by force.)" And under M.E.Ch.A's Action plan No.3 is, "Self-Defense against the occupying forces of the oppressors at every school, every available man, woman, and child." Them fighting words and it sounds like a declaration of war to me. Mexicano (Mexican) is derived from the indigenous word Mechica and from that word spawned Chicano/a, in order to escape from the Anglo word Mexican American; nevertheless, Chicano/a /Mexican American and others basically mean the same thing. M.E.Ch.A. seems similar to Mechica, coincidence? I think not. So in closing to you the reader and especially for my friends down at M.E.Ch.A. I leave you with the peaceful/anti-war words of our beloved Fatherland Mexico's National Anthem Lyrics by Francisco González Bocanegra and music by Jaime Nunó. Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra. El acero aprestad y el bridón; y retiemble en sus centros la tierra Al sonoro rugir del cañón. (Mexicans, at the cry of battle prepare your swords and bridle; and let the earth tremble at its centerat the roar of the cannon. 0 Ciña oh patria! tus sienes de oliva De la Paz el arcángel divino, Que en el cielo tu eterno destino Por el dedo de Dios se escribió. (Oh fatherland your forehead shall be girded with olive garlands,by the divine archangel of peace For in heaven your eternal destiny has been written by the hand of God.) Más si osare un extraño enemigo Profanar con su planta tu suelo, Piensa, oh patria querida ,que el cielo Un soldado en cada hijo te dio. (But should a foreign enemy dale to profane your land with his sole, Think, beloved fatherland, that heaven gave you a soldier in each son.) Guerra, guerra sin tregua al que intente De la patria manchar los blasones! Guerra, guerra! Los patrios pendones En las olas de sangre empapad. Guerra, guerra! En el monte, en el valle Los cañones horrísonos truenen Y los ecos sonoros resuenen Con las voces de Unión! Libertad! (War, war without truce against who would attempt to blemish the honor of the fatherland! War, war! The patriotic banners drench in waves of blood. War, war! On the mount, in the valley the terrifying thunder of the cannon and the echoes nobly resound to the cries of Union! Liberty!) Antes, patria, que inermes tus hijos, Bajo el yugo su cuello dobleguen, Tus campiñas con sangre se rieguen, Sobre sangre se estampe su pie.Y tus templos, palacios y torres Se derrumben con hórrido estruendo,Y sus ruinas existan diciendo: De mil heroes la patria aquí fue. (Fatherland, before your children Become unarmed Beneath the yoke their necks in sway, And your countryside be watered with blood, On blood their feet trample. And may your temples, palaces and towers crumble in horrid crash, and ruins remain saying: The fatherland was made of one thousand heroes.) Patria! patria! Tus hijos te juran Exhalar en tus aras su aliento, Si el clarín con su bélico acento Los convoca a lidiar con valor. Para ti las guirnaldas de oliva! Un recuerdo para ellos de gloria! Un laurel para ti de victoria! Un sepulcro para ellos de honor! (Fatherland, fatherland, your children swear to exhale their breath in your cause, If the bugle in its belligerent tone should call upon them to struggle with bravery. For you the olive garlands! For them a memory of glory! For you a laurel of victory! For them a tomb of honor!) Both documents El Plan de Aztlán or EPA (The plan of Aztlan) and El Plan de Santa Barbara (EPSB) were last changed or amended in whole or in part by a 2/3 vote at the 1999 National M.E.Ch.A. Conference at Phoenix Community College. http://www.berkeleymecha.org/main/ |
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bernie.maxwell 2/23/05 |
Ah, the ever lovable "MEChA is a racist organization" story. I love Republican Propaganda aimed at reducing a hard-working club on this campus to thugs on the street. These are pretty serious accusations, to insinuate that the President of Student Government, several ASWNMU Senators, and a professors or two on this campus are all racists.
Of course, this has been debunked before: http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2003_08_31_dneiwert_archive.html#106249487511748771 A quote: "No doubt there were individual members within MEChA way back who used such language, but for the organization as a whole, the idea of self-determination has been one of educational uplift within a multicultural country, as American a goal as apple pie. Anyone who has worked with MEChA students -- as I have -- can tell you they are committed to multi-racial organizing and respect towards people of all races, genders, and sexual orientation. They are a hell of a lot more tolerant and supportive of diversity than any of their critics." For a particularly good examination of how conservatives worked to smear MEChA see this link: http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2003/09/mecha-and-transmission-belt.html Obviously this has been going on for quite some time - it's good to see Mr. Monje and the College Republicans finally pick it up. |
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guero316 2/24/05 |
My Dear Bernie Maxwell and others.
First off: Just because I'm a Republican doesn't necessarily mean that My views reflect thoughts of the Republican Party or the College Republicans. An attack on me for my views is fine, but an attack on the Republican Party or the College Republicans simply because I'm Republican proves that clearly you had an agenda when you read my posting. To prove my point you said: "Ah, the ever lovable "MEChA is a racist organization" story. I love Republican Propaganda aimed at reducing a hard-working club on this campus to thugs on the street. Like I said: Just because I'm a Republican doesn't necessarily mean that My views are Republican Propaganda. You then Followed up with: "These are pretty serious accusations, to insinuate that the President of Student Government, several ASWNMU Senators, and a professor or two on this campus are all racists." I never specifically called or insinuated these people of being racist. What I said was: "Words like gringo and gabacho are racial remarks toward white/Anglo peoples. Not only that, but El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán (The Spiritual plan of Aztlan) clearly and openly states a discrimination towards races who are not "La Raza or Bronze" i.e. "Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada. (Everything for the Race. Out or outside of the Race nothing)." & "They also show their war side with a desire for reclaiming the land of Aztlan for the Raza's kingdom. The final paragraph in El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán (The Spiritual plan of Aztlan) mentions, "the utilization of our bodies for war" Again, "M.E.Ch.A. - As a symbol of unified philosophy with a common objective: LA UNION HACE LA FUERZA! (The union makes the force/ or takes it by force.)" And under M.E.Ch.A's Action plan No.3 is, "Self-Defense against the occupying forces of the oppressors at every school, every available man, woman, and child." Them's fighting words and it sounds like a declaration of war to me." Again! I never specifically called or insinuated that the President of Student Government, several ASWNMU Senators, and a professor or two on this campus are all racists and nor do I believe that. I only said what is stated above because M.E.Ch.A's Very own El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán (The Spiritual plan of Aztlan) used the very racial remarks I was and am speaking against. With saying that I do not believe that the people mentioned above are racists. This brings me to another point. By you stating that I am insinuating that the President of Student Government, several ASWNMU Senators, and a professor or two on this campus are all racists. Only proves Abe Villarreal's argument in WNMU's The Mustang V. 114, No.3 Thursday February 24, 2005 Article A good History exists with GOP and Blacks. When he writes, "Anytime conservatives debate important subjects like education, the military, social security, or taxes; liberals have one response: racist." At last you left us with A quote: "No doubt there were individual members within MEChA way back who used such language, (Aha! See I was right, yet you're wrong because this very stuff is in M.E.Ch.A's very own documents, in which, represent the entire organization.) but for the organization as a whole, the idea of self-determination has been one of educational uplift within a multicultural country, as American a goal as apple pie. Anyone who has worked with MEChA students -- as I have -- can tell you they are committed to multi-racial organizing and respect towards people of all races, genders, and sexual orientation. They are a hell of a lot more tolerant and supportive of diversity than any of their critics. I leave you with this: If what you say is true, then why are so many of you offended and intolerant of what I have to say? Sincerely Arturo Monje Jr. |
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miara_merek 2/24/05 |
Mr. Monje,
Have you ever taken a look at M.E.Ch.A's Constitution? Every chapter has their own Constitution and different goals and aspirations! If I were you I would stop cut and pasting articles from different articles and look into the facts before publishing such non sense! I have been around this campus for three years and I have only seen postive things come out of this particular chapter. As for being racist and only democratic, well I know of three registered Republicans who are members and I also have first hand knowlege of members who are not of hispanic or mexican origin. The current historian is very much anglo, the new vice president is also anglo, ah and there is a forgiener who is also in the club, and last but not least there is also an african american who also participates in the club. As far as I know M.E.Ch.A de WNMU is a fine organization and does not need to be slandered by an uninformed individual such as yourself Mr.Monje! Thank you, Miara |
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bernie.maxwell 2/24/05 |
Mr. Monje,
Obviously, you entirely mistook the meaning of my previous post. I'll try to be clear: I don't believe those ARE your views. As the links I provided show, the argument you made is clearly copied from other sources. They're the views of various Republican/conservative pundits and party hacks. You simply regurgitated them. Regarding your comments on members of the club ad whether or not their racists: it follows logically that you think members of the club subscribe to the beliefs espoused by the club's founding documents (otherwise you wouldn't have qouted those documents). Therefore, if those documents contain language that you classify as "racial" in nature, you (or whomever it is you copied) believe those members to be racists. Flatly, it doesn't stand to reason that you would say the club's documents are racist in nature but the members are somehow not. You can't have it both ways. If the club is racist, the members are too. Regardless, I doubt many people were offended by your remarks. I believe most people realize the comments came from the extreme right propoganda machine. More than anything, I'm sure they were surprised to see you two years behind the times. |
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guero316 3/01/05 |
Ms. Merek,
Have I ever taken a look at M.E.Ch.A's Constitution? Of course I have. Where do you think I got all my so called Right Wing propaganda? Yes every chapter has their own Constitution, and different goals and aspirations. However, they are supposed to be in accord with the Original from Berkeley. According to the National M.E.Ch.A. under M.E.Ch.A's Philosophy, "each M.E.Ch.A. Chapter shall gain its affiliation through and only through the recognized M.E.Ch.A. Central they geographically fall under. In order to be a M.E.Ch.A. Chapter recognized by the Central, they shall accept and adopt the following responsibilities: 1)Orient all members by discussing and reading historical documents of our movement including El Plan de Santa Barbara, El Plan de Aztlán and the Philosophy of M.E.Ch.A.; 2) Make important aspects of the Chicana/Chicano Movement relevant to Mechistas; and 3) send two representatives to Central and Regional meetings to be recognized as a voting chapter." Also: "A M.E.Ch.A. National Conference shall be held once a year. The purpose of this conference shall be to bring all M.E.Ch.A. chapters together in an effort to form a M.E.Ch.A. National Conference structure that advocates a common M.E.Ch.A. philosophy, works towards unified goals and objectives, and reaffirms the principles of M.E.Ch.A. to consolidate our Movement. At the M.E.Ch.A. National Conference, steps will be taken to establish ties amongst the M.E.Ch.A. chapters throughout Aztlán. As a vibrant and responsive network of activists who will respond as a unit to oppression, racism, sexism and homophobia, we will work in harmony when imitating and carrying our campaigns of liberation for our people." Does our M.E.Ch.A. do this? Just asking. Believe me there is more than just this. Analyze it for yourself. Again as I stated before under M.E.Ch.A's very own Philosophy gives warning to this very issue. Regardless WNMU's M.E.Ch.A continues to ignore it. M.E.Ch.A.'s Relationship to Outside Organizations Overview: "The importance of Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán having organizational autonomy is a key prerequisite to establishing a cohesive movement that will serve the interests of the Chicana/Chicano community. Historically, Chicana and Chicano estudiantes have had to contend with opportunistic organizations that have attempted to use M.E.Ch.A. to promote goals inconsistent with the needs of our Gente. Such opportunists have promoted such goals at the expense of the Chicana/Chicano students' calling to serve La Familia de La Raza." "Meanwhile, on an apparent "different" side, opportunistic, multi-national "left" organizations continue in their manipulative covert attempts to control and/or destroy our Movement. For this reason, it is imperative that, We, Chicana and Chicano students that want M.E.Ch.A. to control it own destiny without being co-opted by outside organizations, provide our analysis on the role of outside organizations wording inside of M.E.Ch.A. In providing this analysis, we recognize the fundamental role that Chicano nationalism plays in promoting nuestra causa." Ms. Merek you also said, "If I were you I would stop cut and pasting articles from different articles and look into the facts before publishing such non sense!" How dare you accuse me of such? If I cut and pasted anything it was only what I was quoting from M.E.Ch.A's very own documents. My entire posting is Simply MINE! I for once never cut and pasted articles from different articles! I wrote it all myself. So you know of three registered Republicans who are members M.E.Ch.A? Just because they are registered Republicans doesn't necessarily mean they truly are Republicans. You also have first hand knowledge of members who are not of Hispanic or Mexican origin. The current historian is very much Anglo? (Oh you mean the one that is accused of being a snitch for me?) The new vice president is also Anglo, ah and there is a foreigner who is also in the club, and last but not least there is also an African Americans who also participates in the club. Well good for you all, very good, my hats off to you, for hiding the truth from these poor innocent people. It is clear that they have not read the Fine print that truly represents M.E.Ch.A. You accuse me of slander and of being misinformed. I never new that simply stating the facts, and not allegations as you have, were a form of slander and of being misinformed. Perhaps next time I will cut and pasted articles from different articles instead of quoting from M.E.Ch.A's very own documents, which so happened to be my only source. Apparently it's the swindling lies that you people desire to hear. Ms. Maxwell So you don't believe those ARE my views? Well let me tell you then that they are. Ah? The links you provided show, the argument I made is clearly copied from other sources. Well Again I say: How dare you accuse me of such? If I cut and pasted anything it was only what I was quoting from M.E.Ch.A's very own documents. My entire posting is Simply MINE! I for once never cut and pasted articles from different articles! I wrote it all myself. Just because my arguments is similar to another or various Republican/conservative views does not mean that copied it! Nor that I simply regurgitated them but, confirmed it. Regarding comments on members of the club ad whether or not their racists: Again! I never specifically called or insinuated that the club is racist and that the members are too, nor do I believe that. Just because I would say the club's documents are racist in nature doesn't mean that the members are too. Because it isn't their fault that they have been so hidden from the truth and brainwashed that they know not what they do. Clearly if they analyzed the documentation for themselves, as I have, they would see that Socratic light of Truth. Regardless, If you doubt many people were offended by my remarks and that allegedly I am two years behind the times, when this very thing is happening right now. Again I leave you with this: If what you say is true, then why are so many of you offended and intolerant of what I have to say? Arturo Monje Jr. |
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bernie.maxwell 3/07/05 |
Mr. Monje
Let's examine your post quickly, OK? The most informatice bit is this statement: "I for once never cut and pasted articles from different articles! I wrote it all myself." Ah, well - I am reassured to learn that this is the first (and only) time you managed to do so. Thoughts of plagarism aside, how about this little snippet: "Just because I would say the club's documents are racist in nature doesn't mean that the members are too." I accept your argument - after all, the document forming the basis of our government, the United States Constitution, advocates slavery. Clearly, while this document is a racist one, not all Americans are racists (brainwashed or not). Let's move on shall we: "Regardless, If you doubt many people were offended by my remarks and that allegedly I am two years behind the times, when this very thing is happening right now." Um. Yeah. While I know this is an attempt at a sentence (and maybe a coherent thought as well) you seemed to have failed. Which brings me to my final point: "If what you say is true, then why are so many of you offended and intolerant of what I have to say?" Thus far, I have noted no intolerance, either in replies to your original post or around campus. And to be honest, the only thing that offends me about your posts is your lack of language skills. |
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guero316 3/07/05 |
"Yawn" ;o |
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bernie.maxwell 3/08/05 |
You're certainly no longer displaying the conviction you once were. What happened? Can't stand by your arguments? |
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guero316 3/08/05 |
Gosh! |
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ambrizg 3/14/05 |
Wow! Where can one truly start, especially after looking at an attempted syllogistic approach to uncovering the truth, which remains elusive to one, but not to all! After perusing the scattered attempt to tarnish the image of WNMU's M.E.Ch.A chapter, I strongly believe that it is an appropriate time to intervene as to say that I need to "chalk-up" some discussion. Mr. Monje, a Douglas, Arizona, resident nonetheless, has tried to captivate his audience by feeding some truthful, but discriminatory statements to the general populace of Silver City, New Mexico, and yes, it has extended far beyond New Mexico--which leads to my introduction.
Greetings to all coherent students, some shall remain nameless in the light of controversy (no pun intended), my name is George R. Ambriz, former student of Western New Mexico University, more importantly, a former M.E.Ch.A. President. I was the President of M.E.Ch.A during the 2002 – 2003 Academic Year, and never once did we close our doors to any minority or political affiliation, rather, we welcomed them with open arms--many to say the least--and did not "brainwash them" as one is lead to believe after reading your exhaustive, fractious manuscript--or dare I say--letter! Your true underlying or apparent nescience to the whole concept of M.E.Ch.A can truly make a sane man become perplexed, because we worked in sync (and not the former boy band, Arturo) with the local and state Democratic Party to inform many people about the importance of voting--damn, sorry for being an informative entity that is thriving for the betterment of all; not just the Democrats as you have a tendency to overlook--or should I say--ignore. If we only welcomed the Democratic Party and no-one else, then you would have my understanding of how you came to your conclusion, but as far as logic is concerned, I am trying to find the logical flow of premises, but to no avail am I successful. You certainly have grasped the notion of creating fallacies, rather, than conveying truthful, logical information to your audience. I eagerly anticipate some criticism to this aforesaid documentation of said facts, and look forward to elaborating some more if need be. Thank you to all, and may M.E.Ch.A. live strong at WNMU and elsewhere as well. Respectfully Submitted, George R. Ambriz P.S. I will be periodically checking back to see if anybody has any questions for me, and if so, please post them. |
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guero316 9/16/05 |
Freedom cost a buck o five |
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